Dreaming is free

[charliesmum]

I had yet another dream about getting into the play last night. This time I was in it and my co-star was really good looking. In my dream he was a professional actor that the director brought in. And I was also climbing up into this really high loft for some reason.

Prior to that, I had a dream that I was working for vampires*, one of whom was Johnny Depp.

The husband stayed home from work today because of a tummy bug, which cramped my style just a bit. Fortunately I was busy with work today, so I looked important whenever he came into the room.

We had, and this is going to annoy those on my flist who have been talking snowstorms recently, a beautiful day today. 77 degrees. Charlie went bicycling after homework, and I went along with him. It was fun. Tomorrow is supposed to be much less wonderful though, so there you go.

Barsky on the radio was talking about that new HBO show that is about a man who has three wives, and they were talking about it, and would it be good etc., and apparently someone who is a polygimist said that this will be the 'next civil rights' movement. If, apparently, gay people are allowed to marry, then people should be allowed to marry more than one person. Or something.

I personally think two people in a committed relationship is completely different than the 'woman as chattel' mind-set of most religious-polygimists. I don't see them letting the women have more than one husband, for example.

But, Charlie is hugging me, possibly in an effort to con me off the computer, so this is a topic for another day.

I'll shut up now.

*Because I just bought this short story collection called "Dracula" and one of the stories was about a world that had been taken over by vampires. It was pretty good.

PS - Charlie picked the icon.

Comments

[slammerkinbabe.livejournal.com]

I think Mormon polygamy is very different from the up-and-coming polyamory movement. I know a couple of people who are poly, and honestly, I don't personally see a problem with legalizing polygamy, based on them - some people really feel that they weren't meant to limit their romantic relationships to one person at a time, and they prefer to maintain long-term relationships with multiple people, often in a communal living situation. For some people polyamory is the newest fad, and they make effusive claims about how they could never limit themselves to monogamy, and what they mean by it is that they expect their primary partner to be monogamous while they run around and fuck anyone who takes their fancy. But for some people, it really is the lifestyle that suits them best, and they are able to settle happily and maturely into a life of multiple mutually consensual relationships. I don't see a problem there.

But then, as I've probably said before, I think the government ought to confine itself to making laws prohibiting things that actually harm people. And I think if something doesn't harm anyone else the government ought to keep its hands the hell off the whole issue. Granted, the marriage issue is tricky because it's essentially something the government actively *promotes*. I don't see any particular reason for the government to promote polygamy... then again, you could argue there are the same reasons to promote polygamy as to promote monogamy - stable, long-term relationships based on mutual love and respect are supposed to be good for our country, right? And there are some people who are predisposed to adapt better to stable LTRs that are polygamous than LTRs that are monogamous. But that's a bit more progressive than I expect our government to get. Nevertheless, it really just does not hurt anyone. The Mormon thing to me is a totally separate issue, and has a lot more to do with personal choice (to treat women as chattel) than with the concept of polygamy itself.

[charliesmum.livejournal.com]

Yeah...that's why I qualified it with 'religious polygamy' because, like you said, it is kind of a different thing.

[chavvah.livejournal.com]

I think the main problem that the U.S. government has with polygamy is not so much one of beliefs as that *some* polygamists produce a lot of children through plural marriage and expect welfare to foot the bill. You could argue that this does hurt people, by depleting the social services network that is there to help etc etc.

However, I think that they're going about it in entirely the wrong way: if plural marriages were legal, then the state could feasibly set boundaries and guidelines, i.e. you can have as many wives and children as you can support without relying on social assistance.

[slammerkinbabe.livejournal.com]

I think that objection has pretty much been hijacked by the right wing, though - most people have a knee-jerk "ugh!" reaction to the idea of polygamy, and the right-wing has a peculiar conviction that a knee-jerk "ugh!" reaction is absolute evidence of their moral righteousness in condemning something. It's an odd argument that you hear over and over again - the liberal left have convinced themselves that ______ is okay, but we all know better and they're crazy! Because we have that ick reaction. And the ick reaction is handed down straight from God Himself.

Or something. Anyway, though your assessment is probably why it became illegal in the first place, I don't expect it to be predominant in the coming debate (should a debate come), because man, but those righties are fixated on their personal disgust.

[cabenson.livejournal.com]

If, apparently, gay people are allowed to marry, then people should be allowed to marry more than one person. Or something.

I'm pretty sure the Gay Agenda says that if gays are allowed to marry, hets can then marry their animals. Lemme check my handbook and I'll get abck to you ;)

[carlanime.livejournal.com]

Prior to that, I had a dream that I was working for vampires*, one of whom was Johnny Depp.

That would explain why he appears not to be aging...

Religious polygamy...I shouldn't even try to coment on this, as there's a town in Canada called Bountiful that I pretty much foam at the mouth over whenever I try to discuss it (I can almost feel my blood pressure rising now, just at the thought of it). But, yes, I have a problem with the "unequal" aspect of religious polygamy, which looks so bloody coercive and manipulative: one partner gets the choice, the other gets to live with it--as opposed to polyamory, which, while not my thing, at least tends to be a choice made by both partners, and is done in a spirit of "much discussion and trying to negotiate so everyone is happy."

[femaelstrom27.livejournal.com]

Working for vampires, eh? What kind of work? I wouldn't mind working for Johnny Depp...:-P

[anngwish42.livejournal.com]

I'm a bit uncomfortable with the whole polygamy thing too, which is weird, because I'm totally okay with polyamory. But I feel like most polygamous (not polyamorous) marriages are so misogynistic (the Big Love, Mormon, marry off the 14 year old girls to old men with 6 other wives model) that I'm not sure it's a good idea to legalize polygamy, just because of the prospect for that sort of abuse.

[cactus-wren.livejournal.com]

Don't worry my weather yesterday is your weather today - and yesterday and today were very nice. Tonite, however, is another story. It is super windy and getting quite cold, so plan on bundling up by Thursday. It was nice while it lasted, wasn't it?

[jessii-6.livejournal.com]

there is an old Russian comedy with a song 'If I was a Sultan I'd have three wifes' among the realisations is 'but if you have three wifes - there are three mothers-in-law as well' ;)

Personally I see no wrong in it if all the parties agree.

[sierram.livejournal.com]

Oh lordy,what woman would WANT more than one husband at a time?Half the time I don't even like the ONE that I have,much less 2 or 3!BLAH!